Saturday, 26 March 2011

[satsang] New link

Elena Vinogradova posted in satsang
Elena Vinogradova 27 March 06:17
ATTENTION: All you rebels, free-spirits & pioneers...
www.wayseermanifesto.com
YOU'VE GOT TO SEE THIS: 'Everything the establishment has told you is wrong with you - is actually what's right with you...' http://facebook.com/wayseers

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Re: [satsang] I am still learning how to be detached... am...

:)
Elena Vinogradova 27 March 01:26
:)
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Parminder Grewal
Parminder Grewal26 March 13:41
Yes, you are too identified with awareness to understand anything.
Elena Vinogradova
Elena Vinogradova26 March 13:39
You need to open your own heart, open mind is not enough to be free. You are running around Facebook, looking for opportunities to label everyone from your own deluded mind. But it is impossible to talk to you, as the experience showed me, so have a nice day.
Parminder Grewal
Parminder Grewal26 March 13:35
No, you are being an awareness clone imposing concepts born from your identification with awareness.
Elena Vinogradova
Elena Vinogradova26 March 13:33
Par, for gods sake just stop being smart ..where it's not necessary. Its all experiential, no words can explain.
Parminder Grewal
Parminder Grewal26 March 13:31
Yes you are imposing this open heart state. It is logical and intelligent to find the fact.
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Mary Fh
Mary Fh24 March 09:34
I am still learning how to be detached... am watching my beloved Mother in pain and it hurts. Any advice?

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Re: [satsang] "Don’t be afraid. Your faith will help you walk...

Yes, asking questions opens ourselves. Most of us suffer and then question ourselves afterwards.   I question the momentum of acquiring ideas about faith - ideas of whether it is desirable or undesirable. I certainly find it limiting to impose anything onto ourselves. I have faith or I don't. It is what I have become and it is what I live on. It is all a part of what is within me, what I have as a human being living in the world.
Parminder Grewal 26 March 21:18
Yes, asking questions opens ourselves. Most of us suffer and then question ourselves afterwards.

I question the momentum of acquiring ideas about faith - ideas of whether it is desirable or undesirable. I certainly find it limiting to impose anything onto ourselves. I have faith or I don't. It is what I have become and it is what I live on. It is all a part of what is within me, what I have as a human being living in the world.
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Anala Singh
Anala Singh26 March 13:38
I have never considered this perspective, but it is valid, especially since we are encouraged as children to ask why in an effort to learn more about ourselves and the world around us...perhaps asking questions is a key to self knowledge and the removal of doubt...

Yes, faith exists in relation to dobut...in some cases the manipulation of faith clouds our minds, but we shouldn't believe that it always muddies the water -- some turn to faith to find clarity or comfort; we cannot blame faith for our misunderstandings, we blame ourselves...I should have the ability as a reasonable, rational human being to maintain strength in my convictions while opening myself to knowledge and ideals that will help me grow.
Parminder Grewal
Parminder Grewal26 March 13:04
No it's not the basic human reaction. You have to ask without looking for an answer then observation can take place and then the workings of the mind can unfold.

You say faith but faith is only needed because there is doubt present. So faith stops us from having clear perception of doubt so then one can't be free from doubt.
Anala Singh
Anala Singh26 March 12:52
I agree...the base human reaction is to question why something happens or does not happen...but shouldn't we have the luxury of knowing that our faith is going to carry us through to our next endeavor?
Parminder Grewal
Parminder Grewal26 March 12:28
No, inquire into why you will drown. Do not be intellectual about it.
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Anala Singh
Anala Singh26 March 11:34
"Don't be afraid. Your faith will help you walk on the waters. But the minute you lose faith, you will drown." -- A lesson given to us by Vibhishan, The Ramayana

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[satsang] For many seekers, there is no sense of I without...

For many seekers, there is no sense of I without some degree of 'I want'. If not lost in the endless losses and gains of monetary wants, it is the desire of wanting attention from everyone else that fuels the arduous path of seeking. From this space, dissatisfaction and discord remain the ends result of many personal experiences, with no sense of value being perceived without something else to want or need. Once such a seeker is able to openly experience the truth of themselves, realizing what they are to be completely free of any obligation to personal wants or needs, the true radiance of being is authentically noticed. It is here where the patterns of endless wants and needs may be spontaneously laid to rest. As the personal I is somehow forgotten, what remains aware of it all is recognized as being unmistakably indescribable. This is the death of suffering.
Matt Kahn 26 March 20:55
For many seekers, there is no sense of I without some degree of 'I want'. If not lost in the endless losses and gains of monetary wants, it is the desire of wanting attention from everyone else that fuels the arduous path of seeking. From this space, dissatisfaction and discord remain the ends result of many personal experiences, with no sense of value being perceived without something else to want or need. Once such a seeker is able to openly experience the truth of themselves, realizing what they are to be completely free of any obligation to personal wants or needs, the true radiance of being is authentically noticed. It is here where the patterns of endless wants and needs may be spontaneously laid to rest. As the personal I is somehow forgotten, what remains aware of it all is recognized as being unmistakably indescribable. This is the death of suffering.

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Yes, you are too identified with awareness to understand anything.
Parminder Grewal 26 March 20:41
Yes, you are too identified with awareness to understand anything.
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Elena Vinogradova
Elena Vinogradova26 March 13:39
You need to open your own heart, open mind is not enough to be free. You are running around Facebook, looking for opportunities to label everyone from your own deluded mind. But it is impossible to talk to you, as the experience showed me, so have a nice day.
Parminder Grewal
Parminder Grewal26 March 13:35
No, you are being an awareness clone imposing concepts born from your identification with awareness.
Elena Vinogradova
Elena Vinogradova26 March 13:33
Par, for gods sake just stop being smart ..where it's not necessary. Its all experiential, no words can explain.
Parminder Grewal
Parminder Grewal26 March 13:31
Yes you are imposing this open heart state. It is logical and intelligent to find the fact.
Elena Vinogradova
Elena Vinogradova26 March 13:31
I dint have pain
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Mary Fh
Mary Fh24 March 09:34
I am still learning how to be detached... am watching my beloved Mother in pain and it hurts. Any advice?

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Re: [satsang] I am still learning how to be detached... am...

You need to open your own heart, open mind is not enough to be free. You are running around Facebook, looking for opportunities to  label everyone from your own deluded mind. But it is impossible to talk to you, as the experience showed me, so have a nice day.
Elena Vinogradova 26 March 20:39
You need to open your own heart, open mind is not enough to be free. You are running around Facebook, looking for opportunities to label everyone from your own deluded mind. But it is impossible to talk to you, as the experience showed me, so have a nice day.
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Parminder Grewal
Parminder Grewal26 March 13:35
No, you are being an awareness clone imposing concepts born from your identification with awareness.
Elena Vinogradova
Elena Vinogradova26 March 13:33
Par, for gods sake just stop being smart ..where it's not necessary. Its all experiential, no words can explain.
Parminder Grewal
Parminder Grewal26 March 13:31
Yes you are imposing this open heart state. It is logical and intelligent to find the fact.
Elena Vinogradova
Elena Vinogradova26 March 13:31
I dint have pain
Parminder Grewal
Parminder Grewal26 March 13:30
Your experience will also include your own delusion that caused the pain.
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Mary Fh
Mary Fh24 March 09:34
I am still learning how to be detached... am watching my beloved Mother in pain and it hurts. Any advice?

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Re: [satsang] "Don’t be afraid. Your faith will help you walk...

I have never considered this perspective, but it is valid, especially since we are encouraged as children to ask why in an effort to learn more about ourselves and the world around us...perhaps asking questions is a key to self knowledge and the removal of doubt...   Yes, faith exists in relation to dobut...in some cases the manipulation of faith clouds our minds, but we shouldn't believe that it always muddies the water -- some turn to faith to find clarity or comfort; we cannot blame faith for our misunderstandings, we blame ourselves...I should have the ability as a reasonable, rational human being to maintain strength in my convictions while opening myself to knowledge and ideals that will help me grow.
Anala Singh 26 March 20:38
I have never considered this perspective, but it is valid, especially since we are encouraged as children to ask why in an effort to learn more about ourselves and the world around us...perhaps asking questions is a key to self knowledge and the removal of doubt...

Yes, faith exists in relation to dobut...in some cases the manipulation of faith clouds our minds, but we shouldn't believe that it always muddies the water -- some turn to faith to find clarity or comfort; we cannot blame faith for our misunderstandings, we blame ourselves...I should have the ability as a reasonable, rational human being to maintain strength in my convictions while opening myself to knowledge and ideals that will help me grow.
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Parminder Grewal
Parminder Grewal26 March 13:04
No it's not the basic human reaction. You have to ask without looking for an answer then observation can take place and then the workings of the mind can unfold.

You say faith but faith is only needed because there is doubt present. So faith stops us from having clear perception of doubt so then one can't be free from doubt.
Anala Singh
Anala Singh26 March 12:52
I agree...the base human reaction is to question why something happens or does not happen...but shouldn't we have the luxury of knowing that our faith is going to carry us through to our next endeavor?
Parminder Grewal
Parminder Grewal26 March 12:28
No, inquire into why you will drown. Do not be intellectual about it.
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Anala Singh
Anala Singh26 March 11:34
"Don't be afraid. Your faith will help you walk on the waters. But the minute you lose faith, you will drown." -- A lesson given to us by Vibhishan, The Ramayana

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No, you are being an awareness clone imposing concepts born from your identification with awareness.
Parminder Grewal 26 March 20:35
No, you are being an awareness clone imposing concepts born from your identification with awareness.
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Elena Vinogradova
Elena Vinogradova26 March 13:33
Par, for gods sake just stop being smart ..where it's not necessary. Its all experiential, no words can explain.
Parminder Grewal
Parminder Grewal26 March 13:31
Yes you are imposing this open heart state. It is logical and intelligent to find the fact.
Elena Vinogradova
Elena Vinogradova26 March 13:31
I dint have pain
Parminder Grewal
Parminder Grewal26 March 13:30
Your experience will also include your own delusion that caused the pain.
Elena Vinogradova
Elena Vinogradova26 March 13:30
I was not in a state, it changed me permanently. My heart was closed before.
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Mary Fh
Mary Fh24 March 09:34
I am still learning how to be detached... am watching my beloved Mother in pain and it hurts. Any advice?

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Re: [satsang] I am still learning how to be detached... am...

Par, for gods sake just stop being smart ..where it's not necessary. Its all experiential, no words can explain.
Elena Vinogradova 26 March 20:33
Par, for gods sake just stop being smart ..where it's not necessary. Its all experiential, no words can explain.
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Parminder Grewal
Parminder Grewal26 March 13:31
Yes you are imposing this open heart state. It is logical and intelligent to find the fact.
Elena Vinogradova
Elena Vinogradova26 March 13:31
I dint have pain
Parminder Grewal
Parminder Grewal26 March 13:30
Your experience will also include your own delusion that caused the pain.
Elena Vinogradova
Elena Vinogradova26 March 13:30
I was not in a state, it changed me permanently. My heart was closed before.
Parminder Grewal
Parminder Grewal26 March 13:29
To impose a state.
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Mary Fh
Mary Fh24 March 09:34
I am still learning how to be detached... am watching my beloved Mother in pain and it hurts. Any advice?

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